Wednesday, March 09, 2005

God's Choice would be your choice

My last post about the Pope received the comment "Cause people have free will = God won't interfere with people killing people."

I plan to do a longer post on issues related to this but for now I'll just say that the notion that God can be omnipotent AND that people have free will is incoherent. A human could not have 'independent choice' if another being is 'all powerful.'


Blogger me said...

free will to react on the all powerfull one, or to choose not to.

interesting topic btw.

3:29 PM  
Blogger Darren said...

If I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying humans are free to react (or not) when God does something.
But, if God is omnipotent, then God could decide for you to do something. Ultimately, His choice would overrule yours. Hence, no free will.

3:48 PM  
Blogger me said...

why overrule? if he controls everything why would he overrule. wouldn't it be his ultimate discision. if there is no such thing as free will, then we have no say in what happens, so then there would no reason for God to overrule our actions.

4:15 PM  
Anonymous Sara C. said...

If I correctly understand "Me"'s last post, s/he (oh, for the want of an English language gender neutral term!) has just agreed with Darren's statement that an omnipotent god contradicts human free will. Though I have no certain convictions on this argument (as Darren knows), allow me to contribute what I think is a vital, albeit Christian, fact to this discussion.

Since we're talking about the Pope, then i assume we are discussing the Christian "God". As far as I learned as a child, the concurrence of human free will and an omnipotent God is made possible by the fact that God decided to give humans free will, so that their love of him would be a true one. Forgive me for not quoting a reference, but my copy of the Bible is in my parents' basement. . . . I think.

7:18 PM  
Blogger Darren said...

While Sara is correct in that "God gave man free will" it doesn't change the illogicity of the statement. If people truly can act of their own accord, then God isn't omnipotent. The converse is also true.
I think that's all there is too say unless I keep repeating myself.

12:25 PM  
Blogger Cosd said...

Darren, I agree: A truly literal interpretation of free will and omnipotence makes the two logically incompatible.

But, who said God has to be logical?

Now, if you excuse me, I’m going to try to make sense/find a way to disagree with this website:

6:19 PM  

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